Posted by: crystalclearconservative | February 23, 2008

Is the Ron Paul Revolution Dead?

    Apparently not!  Although I was unable to attend the recent Fairfax County Republican Committee meeting last week, I was alerted to the fact that there is a new challenger to Mark Ellmore in the 8th District.  Amit Singh is a Ron Paul revolutionary, who would like to overthrow the Republican structure and considers the party as “pro-war neocons.”  Supposedly, I heard that it was not a large presence of Ron Paul supporters at the FCRC meeting.  However, you should check out this link about what was said about the party.  I can respect the opinions of Mr. Singh, but if he (and the Paul supporters) want to gain respect from the party, they need to embrace those from the right. 

   The Ron Paul Revolution is not dead.  It is still thriving from the activists trying to maintain the principles which they are trying to advance.  Ron Paul is no doubt an amazing advocate for certain conservative principles.  He is pro-life, in favor of smaller government, and lowering taxes.  We differ on foreign policy views with his stance on pulling the troops out of Iraq.  This is something that we can’t back out of and we are there to deliver on the promise of freedom for the Iraqis.  If we cut and run now, we are giving the terrorists their own way.  This revolution needs to be more respectful of those who are conservative and moderate to unite this party and make it stronger.

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I got a chance to get all the way out to the FCRC meeting. Amit called Iraq an “occupation” and people’s chins dropped. He is clearly a libertarian running under the Republican ticket.

By: NovaConservative on February 23, 2008
at 3:27 am

NovaConservative,

When Amit makes comments about Iraq being an “occupation”, this will not unite the party in any means. While the Republican party allows Ron Paul to express his ideas, there is clearly a disconnect when he talks about pulling American presence out of foreign countries. It is flawed policy, and it will only aid the terrorists. I agree with many conservatives that we need to stay the course. When the Iraq war began in 2003, I was against it until one of my friends (who serves in the Marines) went over. I heard stories about how Iraqis would come up to him in the streets and thank him for liberating their country.

What will it take for libertarians (and even the Democrats) to realize that pulling out of Iraq will only promote increased terrorism against the U.S. and their allies? We need to stand strong and protect freedom around the world.

By: Crystal Clear Conservative on February 23, 2008
at 9:23 pm

The problems in Africa are a RESULT of interventionism. Decades of cold-war politics are the reason this region is such a total mess. The U.S. and Russia switched sides continually and armed whoever was politically convenient and fought whoever was politically inconvenient at the time. Look at the Phillipines as another example. We supported revolution agaist Spain but immediately stabbed them in the back when they wanted a little real independence. Why should Iran resent us so much? Could it be because WE supported the overthrow of a democratically elected government and instead gave Iran the facist despot Shah of Iran? Easily as big of a scumbag as Saddam Hussein.(Another ally as long as it was politically expedient). Could our problems with Iraq and Iran really be about them calling for oil payments in Euros instead of dollars. You don’t realize what a scary prospect that is to the central banking system. The moral of this story-Read some history before you blather on about the “isolationist” policies of Ron Paul. Educate yourselves and I believe you’ll find that a weak inflation bloated dollar is the real threat to your way of life, not some broke-assed “terrorist” hiding in a cave somewhere.

By: daddysteve on February 24, 2008
at 6:58 pm

…I thought global warming was a bigger threat than terrorism; now it’s the value of the dollar. I suppose both will be considered more threatening until another attack.

The ability of Ron Paul’s supporters to organize should be respected. Nevertheless, they are seriously mistaken if they think they will make waves in the Republican Party as an anti-war movement when the war is not even a central issue. Many of Ron Paul’s supporters strongly support low taxes and a smaller federal government. I think this would be their best chance for establishing themselves within the coalitions of the Republican Party.

By: 200 Grande on February 26, 2008
at 4:11 am

Hey there, just wanted to thank you for blogging your opinion and caring about the Republican Primary.

Just curious, what are your thoughts about Ellmore? Are you a supporter, or have you learned much about him?

Thanks!

Frank

By: Frank on March 5, 2008
at 9:02 pm

The terrorists have no country, they are everywhere, so your point in losing to the terrorists if we leave Iraq is moot.

We need to give the Iraqi people their country back, and establish a strong trading relationship with them. That’s not “cutting and running”, that’s good foreign policy.

Giving the country back to the Iraqi people will give them the self-determination they need, especially since the Versailles treaty screwed everyone over in that region.

Or is it that you simply want a global American empire?

There are more Ron Paul supporters in the FCRC than you think. It’s because we are treated worse than even socialist pro-choice Republicans that we don’t come out and openly voice our beliefs.

Trust me, the warmongers would be on the receiving end of the shock-and-awe they love so much if they only knew.

Don’t be a single-issue voter that only cares about how many countries we can blow up. Don’t live vicariously through the strength of our military and the reach of our self-destructive empire.

The Republican party has been a total disaster since 2006. You need us more than ever.

Be careful who you piss on.

By: Kevin on March 5, 2008
at 10:06 pm

Frank, I would be supporting Ellmore if I lived in the 8th District.

Kevin,
I respect your comments. I realize that the Republican party needs the diversity and perspectives that the Ron Paul supporters offer. It is the differences of opinion that makes us so great. I believe that some of Ron Paul’s ideas on foreign policy are out in left field, so I disagree with you. I am proud of our military, and in fact, I have two friends serving in Iraq at this moment. Instead of listening to the leftist media, why don’t you consider that we are fighting for Iraqis to have freedom and prosperity through democracy. The U.S. is not (and I repeat) a self-destructive empire! You should be ashamed of yourself as an American to make these comments. Where’s your pride?!?? So, Kevin, you should be careful who you piss on! This is the type of behavior that will destroy our country.

By: Crystal Clear Conservative on March 5, 2008
at 11:19 pm

See, it’s such a different perspective between you and me.

My pride IS strong. It’s just that I don’t need to have a big powerful military that is capable of destroying the world ( and our economy in the process ) to feel good about my family’s safety.

Have you ever considered that maybe the Iraqis don’t want democracy? Why should we impose our beliefs on other people? We have no right to do that. That’s what self-determination is all about.

And besides, you do know that pure democracy was despised by the founders, don’t you? It’s why they created a Republic, and why I’m a Republican.

I want my Republic back, and if we’re not careful, the country could very soon become a corrupt military dictatorship that tramples our rights with abominations such as the PATRIOT act and REAL ID.

I support the troops and your friends in Iraq, and that is why they should come home.

Saddam is dead. His sons are dead. We destroyed his military and the fighting has subsided.

We’re done! Mission accomplished! Success!

Nation building is the policy of socialist Democrats, and George Bush has completely jacked up the Republican party with his single-issue administration that has wrecked our economy and doubled the budget. One trillion dollars a year for just our foreign expenditure.

Wouldn’t you rather use that money to finally abolish Social Security, Medicare, and the income tax?

Let the Iraqis have their country back. If we create a trading relationship with them as we have with China, they will quell their extremists on their own. It’s already happening now with the sheiks.

Amit Singh can fill you in. He works with our national intelligence organizations and these are the reports from the boots on the ground.

By: Kevin on March 6, 2008
at 12:03 am

Hey Crystal,
Can you tell me more about why you would pick Ellmore? Is it a lesser of two evils, or is it “1 is evil” or do you agree with specific messages that he sticks to?

I’m not trying to debate you, I’m just curious.

By: Frank on March 6, 2008
at 1:00 am

Crytal,

I dont completely agree with Paul, and have very mixed feelings on what to do with Iraq right now. I voted for McCain in the primary, but i completely simpthize with what Paul is trying to do.

Stop being a one issue voter. Over the last seven years, with a republican dominated government, we have seen the fastest increase in government spending since LJB. We got the federal takeover of education (No Child Left Behind), the largest increase in federal health spening since LBJ (Medicare D), that is bound to go bankrupt, we got Sarbaines-Oxley, severly hampering american financial market compeditivness, ethonal subsidies, that just use tax dollars to inflate our food prices for little energy benifit, the biggest increase in federal workers since LBJ, and instead of fixing the intelligence bureacary, we added another big bureacracy on top (homeland security), and to top it off we have seen a ton of pork barrel. The government is more powerful, spends more, regulates more, violates more of our freedoms, and controls a larger portion of GDP while taking huge debts to do so, then it did before the republicans took over.

This is the track record of the small government states rights, free-market party? The fact that dems can even run on the idea of being fiscally responsible is a joke and shows how much the repubs have messed up. And with the dems, we will get more of this control plus more taxes because now they have the mandate to “correct all the repub deficits.” If we had kept the rate of spending increase the same as the late nintees, even with the 2001 recession, the war, and the tax cuts, we would have had a balanced budget in 2005! The repubs deserved to get whiped last election, and if they dont wise up fast, they will lose again in november.

So I am personally supporting Amit over Ellmore if at the very least it just means that the Repub party in NoVA and perhaps the country can see that ther true small government, pro-freedom republicans are still out there. Ellmore advocates more federal health spending, presumabley a cap and trade carbon system, which amouts to just a nother tax, and is fine with pork barrel as long as its his district. If I want that, I could vote for a socialist democrat. I dotn want another one of these type republicans that have been giving us lip service for 8 years and then act like the dems. Furthermore, Ellmore isnt going to win the 8th district. So you are going to get an anti war rep via Moran anyway in office if that is your issue… so its a wash. The only chance of winning this seat is if the candidate can win a lot of people who will also be voting for Obama on election day and Amit might just be able to do that running not only on small government and low taxes but on civil liberties and ending the Iraq war. Furtheremore, he is a new fresh and young face that could attract the young professional population that exists in the district.

So thats my sence. Save the party and bring it back to what is supposed to be… that of small government, free markets, states rights, and personal freedoms.

By: Eric on March 6, 2008
at 2:51 pm

To Kevin, Frank and Eric,

I met Ellmore in 2006, when he was running for Congress. I thought that he was arrogant, so I assisted O’Donoghue with his race. We need young leadership within our party, and I actually believe that big government is not best for our country. We have strayed from the constitution, thanks to judicial activism. After researching Amit Singh’s platform, I am starting to reconsider my support for Ellmore. Amit will bring fresh, common sense ideas to the 8th District. I do not live in the 8th District, but if I did, I believe that I would eventually support Amit, because fresh ideas are what would eventually take out Moran.

As for Eric’s comment about being a one issue voter, one might perceive that I am a single issue voter, but I am not. I want to return our country back to the same ideals that you list: smaller government, free markets, allowing states to make crucial policy decisions and freedom, which we all care about at the end of the day.

Thank you for sharing your opinions. The marketplace of ideas challenge us and inspire us to improve our country. We do need to work together, so I will put aside my complaints about the Ron Paul Revolution to defeat liberalism.

By: Crystal Clear Conservative on March 6, 2008
at 10:30 pm

Dear Crystal Clear Conservative,

I recently learned I was blogged about on your website. Thank you for the post. I would like to take the chance to personally respond to some of the questions you and others raised.

I did say our current presence in Iraq could be seen as an occupation. But if you remember I also said, “The U.S. military won the war in Iraq. They brought Saddam to justice and killed his two tyrannical sons”. If you recall, aboard the USS Lincoln, President Bush said, “The tyrant has fallen, and Iraq is free.”

I would love nothing more than to have victory parades from sea to shining sea welcoming our brave soldiers back home and treating them like the heroes they are. I disagree with those who want us to “Cut and Run”.

However, I do not want our soldiers to be permanently separated from their families, staying long after they have completed their mission. We destroyed the Iraqi military in about two weeks and removed their despotic leader in favor of a government reflecting the will of the Iraqi people. I do not want to see our soldiers stuck in a situation based on the political deals cut in Washington. If we were to “withdraw” the 30,000 troops in South Korea, would that considered running away from the pathetic North Koreans? If we “withdrew” the 100,000 troops in Europe would that be running away from the Nazis or the USSR?

For the past decade I have worked in the United States Intelligence Community, helping to defend this nation from threats that are not shown on the evening news. I work with soldiers who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, some of them who are on their second and third deployments. These multiple long-term deployments are not only hard on my friends and their brothers-in-arms, but have a devastating effect on their spouses, parents, and children.

I am aware of the situation on the ground – and trust the reports I get from the soldiers who are there. A few weeks ago I met with some Marines who shared with me strategies that work in reducing the terrorist presence while allowing troops to return home. For example, they found it was more effective it was to turn over control of neighborhoods to the local leadership, the real power-brokers in Iraq. Unlike the American strategy dictated by those in Washington to clear and leave an area, the locals clear and hold the area rooting out and stopping Al Qaeda. We see results when the Iraqi people are made responsible for their nation’s future, responsible for their own children’s safety, holding themselves and not others responsible for their own protection.

We cannot leave in one day, but we should aggressively force the Iraqis take control of their country so we are not forced into an untenable situation requiring more sacrifices from our soldiers and their families. We should listen to our soldiers – help them support the Iraqi people and hand over control so they don’t have to face a fourth or fifth deployment. Our current plan is unsustainable and we need a strategy defined by responsible common sense and the situation on the ground instead of emotions.

I want to see an America that returns to the common sense principle of responsibility. I want to see an America that practices the principles of limited government, fiscal responsibility, and personal liberty. If you share my vision of America, one in which the people have more power than special interests who buy government handouts, then I encourage you to visit http://www.Amit08.com.

Thank you for this opportunity. Please feel free to share this with the readers of your blog.

With Regards,

Amit Singh
“A Vision for the Future”
Virginia’s 8th Congressional District
http://www.Amit08.com

By: Amit Singh on March 7, 2008
at 12:57 am

Amit,

Thanks for your e-mail. I will be in touch with your campaign, since I would like to do a live blog with the Republican candidates for Congress in the 8th, 10th and 11th Districts. This way, I can ensure my readership exposure to all views.

Thanks for clarifying some of the issues. I wish you the best of luck in your race.

Crystal Clear Conservative

By: Crystal Clear Conservative on March 7, 2008
at 9:39 pm

As a conservative myself, I have found it greatly disheartening that the Republican Party has marginalized Ron Paul and his supporters. Basically, the RNC has laughed at them and told them to f-off. The problem is, the RNC has failed to see that the RP people are saying EXACTLY the same things that the RNC was promoting 10-15 years ago. So it would be more appropriate to laugh at the Republican party for straying so far from their principles in such a short period of time. I am 27 years old, and have voted for Republicans in every election (federal,state, and local) since I became eligible to vote. I have to say though, that I will not be doing so this time around. Before RP I was drinking the Kool-Aid like the rest of the Republicans, I thought we had to do something about these terrorists so that we could get back to shrinking the government and restoring rights. But I have now realized that the Republicans never really wanted to do that, and that these rights they take away in the name of security are not going to come back. The Republicans (and the dems) simply want power for power’s sake. They don’t care about making things better. That’s just campaign talk.

On another note, I am not the least bit worried about terrorists. Honestly, if given the choice between giving up 50% of my civil rights or dealing with a 911 every five or ten years, I’d take the 911 option. Of course, our options are much better than those. If we just stopped building up these terrorists into an actual threat, they would cease to be one. How can all of these dead soldiers and these hundreds upon hundreds of billions of dollars and these ever increasing infringments upon our rights possibly be justified? We’re chasing ignorant fools who ride around on pack mules in the outlying mountains of third-world countries. They’re nothing unless we chase them! THE UNITED STATES IS THE REASON THAT THE TERRORISTS ARE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THINGS. WE ARE THE REASON THEY GET MEDIA ATTENTION. WE ARE THE REASON THEY ARE ABLE TO RECRUIT PEOPLE TO JOIN THEIR WORTHLESS CAUSE. We give them credibility. They’re nothing but a bunch of chumps - until we say they’re a bigtime threat.

Finally, on to Mr. Singh. I donated a few dollars to your campaign the other day. Unfortunately, I am in the 11th district, so I can’t vote for you, but I will spread the word for you if I think you deserve it. Right now though, I’m not sure that you do. Neither on you website, nor in your post on here do you say anything specific about what you will try to do to restore our government to its proper role and our rights to their proper (100%) level. I’m worried that you’re just saying some crap that appeals to RP supporters so that they’ll load you up with cash. Please clarify EXACTLY what you want to see happen, and outline some steps you will take to make it so.

By: Matt on May 18, 2008
at 5:55 am

After writing this post a few months ago, I had a change of heart about Ron Paul. I am now waging a write-in campaign in Virginia to write in Ron Paul’s name on the general election ballot. He is the only choice for solid conservative leadership. I am supporting Amit, but I agree with you, Matt that he should not back down on the campaign promises.

By: Crystal Clear Conservative on May 18, 2008
at 11:11 am

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